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December 1, 2008

Review: Yamaha P-85 Digital Piano

Filed under: Computers and Peripherals,Misc. Gadgets — Michael Moncur @ 5:00 am

Yamaha P85 Digital Piano at Amazon.comA piano is a bulky, wooden beast that will go out of tune if you look at it funny. Fortunately, those of us who are interested in playing piano today have a number of electronic alternatives that can sound convincingly like a piano while being portable, inexpensive, and staying in perfect tune.

Digital pianos range from cheap consumer models (about $300) to studio-quality equipment (thousands). The Yamaha P-85, at about $600, is a good compromise: the keyboard feels like a real piano, the sounds are good, and it supports pedals and other features professionals will find useful.

First Impressions

The Yamaha P-85 comes in a box that seems quite heavy, unless you compare it to a real piano. Inside you’ll find the P-85 and its AC adapter. Yamaha was also thoughtful enough to include two accessories they could have charged extra for: a plastic music stand that mounts to the top of the keyboard and a plug-in sustain pedal.

The keyboard itself isn’t as heavy as the box would suggest—it’s about 26 pounds and can easily be moved by one person. It has the standard piano allotment of 88 keys. The P-85 has a black case, while the otherwise identical P-85S has a silver case. A subtle red highlight between the keyboard and the case adds a bit of style.

Unlike a real upright piano, you’ll need a stand to support the P-85. Yamaha offers an optional wooden stand, or you can use a convenient desk or table. Keyboard stands are also available at your local music store, but be aware that the bottom of the P-85 is not entirely flat—I had to use a bit of padding to make it sit securely on my keyboard stand.

Sounds

Unlike many computerized gadgets that require booting, configuring, or such nonsense, the P-85 gets right down to business. Turn it on using the button conveniently located on the front panel and, after about a 1-second delay, it’s ready to make noise. Speakers are built in, and the volume control is also conveniently up front.

The nice thing about a digital piano is that it doesn’t have to sound like a piano. The P-85 offers a choice of 10 sounds, all with their own buttons on the panel:

  • Grand Piano 1—A nice-sounding grand piano, sampled from a real Yamaha grand. The default sound.
  • Grand Piano 2—An alternative piano sound. This one sounds a bit brighter and sharper, and I think I like it better than #1.
  • E. Piano 1—An electric piano. I believe this one is based on a Fender Rhodes, but it mostly sounds like a toy.
  • E. Piano 2—Another electric piano with a much better sound. This one sounds right out of a Supertramp or Stevie Wonder song.
  • C. Organ 1—I believe the “C” here stands for “Cheesy”. This organ would feel right at home under the Big Top. I like it, but it’s hard to take seriously.
  • C. Organ 2—This “C”, on the other hand, definitely stands for “Church”. This is a very nice sound that makes you want to learn to play Bach fugues and laugh like the Phantom of the Opera.
  • Strings—An electronic string-like sound. Musicians call this a “pad” sound, and it’s a pretty good one.
  • Harpsichord 1—A harpsichord. I usually like harpsichord sounds, but this one has kind of a toy sound.
  • Harpsichord 2—A slightly better harpsichord with a brighter sound.
  • Vibraphone—A very nice Xylophone-like bell sound.

While I bought this for the great piano sounds, it’s nice to have a few alternatives. I’m especially pleased with the E. Piano 2 and C. Organ 2 sounds. However, if I could have had more piano sounds (like a good upright piano or a honky-tonk piano) I would have gladly given up some of the novelty sounds like Strings and Vibraphone.

Other Features

Along with the basics, the P-85 has a few other features you might find useful. I especially like the built-in metronome, which plays through the built-in speakers. It has its own start/stop button and buttons to change the tempo.

Record and Play buttons allow you to record yourself playing and play it back. You’re limited to one recording at a time, but this would be very handy for piano students wanting to evaluate themselves. I also found it fun to record the left-hand part to a song and then play along with my right hand.

The Dual Voice feature allows you to play two of the P-85’s sounds at the same time. Hold down one of the sound buttons and press another to access this feature. I found that the combination of the two piano sounds makes a good third piano sound, and I especially like the combination of the two electric pianos. Combining piano with strings gives you a subtle ambience when you hold down chords.

Be sure to keep the user’s manual that comes with the P-85. There are some more advanced features, such as setting the amount of reverb on the sounds, setting the metronome to a precise tempo, or fine-tuning the unit, that are accessed through bizarre combinations of keyboard keys and front panel keys, and you’ll never figure them out without the instructions.

Performance

The P-85 has a weighted keyboard, meaning it takes some effort to press down the keys, just like a real piano. It even is slightly harder to press the keys at the bottom of the keyboard than those at the top, which I never knew was a feature of real pianos.

The P-85 feels just like a piano to me, although I’m no expert. It’s very easy to press the keys lightly to get quiet sounds or pound on them to get louder ones, and the sounds respond the way they should—quiet sounds are clear and subtle while really pressing on the keys gives a slightly distorted sound.

The built-in speakers are great for practicing piano, but they’re not perfect. If you’re an audiophile you’ll probably want to hook them to a sound system. Unfortunately, there is no 1/4″ output as is standard with studio equipment, so you’ll have to use an adapter to plug a headphone output into your system.

Optional Accessories

Yamaha offers an optional wooden stand that makes the P-85 more like a real piano. There is also a 3-pedal unit that attaches to the stand and gives you the same three pedals as a real grand piano. I haven’t tried either of these accessories, although I might end up ordering the stand.

Alternatives

Yamaha offers several other models of digital piano. If you want something cheaper and lightweight, the new NP-30 might be a good choice. I liked the way its keyboard feels, the sounds are good, and it weighs about a third as much as the P-85. However, it doesn’t have a full 88-key keyboard.

Other manufacturers offer pianos ranging from $300 to several thousand. I recommend you visit a local music store to try them because the feel and sound of these units is highly subjective.

Conclusion

I’ve owned several music keyboards, most claiming to make piano noises, and the P-85 sounds much more like a piano than any of them. It has a keyboard that feels just like the real thing, and the front-panel buttons and built-in speakers make it very easy to use. I’m very happy with my P-85 and would recommend it to just about anyone.

9 Comments

  1. I really like my P-85, but the only thing that pisses me off is that the keys are not perfectly in tune, i dont know if it is only mine, but when i play with others, my sound is always off. I mean all the keys are like 30 cents sharp, so they are even, but to another tuned piano, you can really tell a difference.

    But other than that, i love it.

    Comment by Richard — December 10, 2008 @ 9:08 am

  2. Of course, this cannot compare to an excellent acoustic piano … but it only weighs about 25 lbs and only costs $599, and has its own speakers so you can take it anywhere. Above post complains that tuning is off, but I measured to 440 … perfect. Last, this thing compares to the twice as expensive Roland RD300SX which is INCREDIBLE (but pricey). I’m a piano player, and the P85 has an excellent feel & sound (as electronic pianos go).

    The stand is important … I made mine w/ 3 pieces of wood and black paint for $12, instead of paying $100. Easy.

    Comment by Craig — December 10, 2008 @ 4:20 pm

  3. No doubt the P-85 has an impressive feeling keyboard for the money (although the action is a bit heavy for my tastes) but on both piano sounds everything from middle C to a couple of octaves down sounds kind of muddy to me. Headphones help a little, but what the P-85 really needs is a tone control. After two days of owning it I’m just not into the sound and am thinking of returning it for a Kurzweil, which is what I owned prior to the P-85. None of the digital pianos I’ve heard seem to have nailed the piano sound quite like Kurzweil. Yamaha acoustic pianos sound a bit muddy to me too, at least compared to a bright piano like a Steinway, and one would assume that they sampled one of their own for the P-85.

    I also wish they would dump the cheesy organ and electric piano sounds for a decent B3 and Wurli EP sound. The standard organ and EP patches on my 25-year-old DX7 sound tons better.

    Comment by Cameron — June 3, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

  4. Cameron: You’re right, the P-85’s sound isn’t the best – I have Native Instruments’ Acoustic Piano sample library, and it sounds worlds better. I plan to use that one for recording and the P-85’s sounds for noodling around.

    Comment by Michael Moncur — June 6, 2009 @ 1:42 am

  5. NOTE: If anyone else thinks the P-85 is “not perfectly in tune” — crack open the manual. I’m pretty sure there’s a tuning setting in there, and I suspect Richard’s is set to something other than A440.

    Comment by Michael Moncur — June 6, 2009 @ 1:43 am

  6. I was looking for a keyboard with a great piano sound and light to carry. The action is incredible, and I don’t believe they did it with only 26 pounds total! I’ve had lots of keyboards, the light ones always had cheesy action. Hats off to Yamaha! Good job!

    Comment by Aubrey Dykes — June 18, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

  7. My only crticism with the P-85 are the top treble notes which respond weakly and produce an unsatisfactory simulation of a good quality ‘REAL’ piano. I’m prepared to believe that maybe the integral audio system and speakers are incapable of handling the higher register notes and maybe earphones or an external audio amplifier would resolve the listening pleasure. Fortunately I seldom have need to use the high notes so this is not a problem for me but out of interest it would be informative to learn if other pianists have noticed the same limitation as I. Other than the above I love this keyboard and would recommend it.

    Comment by david tuson — April 30, 2010 @ 1:57 pm

  8. The P-85 sounds good while using the internal speakers or headphones but when plugged into an amp or mixer board the results are very poor. Although I’ve been using a lot of Roland proudcts in the past I believe that I wil be focusing in a Kurzweil product the next time.

    Comment by Julio — May 28, 2010 @ 10:04 am

  9. I’m trying to hook up my P-85/85s digital piano to my external amp to play in a band. What’s the best way, or is there a way to do it? Thanks.

    Comment by Bill Lindsey — January 1, 2011 @ 4:53 pm

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